Where's Good?

[Lance]

Hi Gang,

Went to Mexico last year, although previous year went to the Taurito Princess, which was All Inclusive. Not sure if it still is.

Anyway, it might be back to the canaries this year, so I was wondering, it will be almost 2 years since we've been to Gran Can, and my fear is that wherever we go it will be full of chavs and drunken British idiots.

Anyone recommend a nice All Inclusive with good food and a decent clientele?

Don't want to sound like a snob, but these people do my head in, hence going to Mexico last year, you tend not to get them with it costing a bit more etc.

[MARCUS]

Hello!
Unfortunately the world today seems to be full of ¨Chavs¨ and ¨Drunken British Idiots¨(male and female)(with ¨kind respect¨ to those who do not fall in to that category)The Commercial centres on the island have the ¨odd bar¨ that attracts that kind of individual.(most unpleasant may i add)
If you are looking for a good quality hotel without any of the above,i would personally recommend the ¨Riu Vistamar¨ here in Puerto Rico.Nice quality,with great sea views and ¨all inclusive¨.In fact i visited this hotel this afternoon( 18.30 to be precise) and the clients seemed to be ¨delighted¨ with the accommodation.
It´s not often you would find a ¨Fracas¨(a light disturbance) in this hotel Viewers!
Marcus x
:glare:

[russ]

i like going partying in both the main centres, does that make me a drunken idiot???? yes when i am drunk i can be an idiot i am british and i wear stone island so guess u will be steering clear of where the mrs and me and 90% of other forum members enjoy themselves.
i have only ever been to one all inclusive in my life and found the people there were far worse than people who didnt have to make the most of and get their monies worth. at least u get a choice if u book something that aint all inclusive.

there are tons of good nights out to be had in rico wether u fancy a quiet friendly place or a rowdy place for food or drink. but to come on here and call people idiots and chavs because they enjoy a different style of nightlife is a bit up urself.

[steve]

Oh and yeah welcome to the forum:have-fun:

Steve
Cambridge

[Lance]

Marcus, thanks.

Russ, you misunderstood me. I enjoy a good time. What I don't like are the gangs of people who go around and don't know when they've had enough, whether it be guys or girls. (Notice I said drunken idiots, as in plural. and not idiot,) and they're banging into you in the bar, and have no consideration. Or they are so loud at the pool or beach and you just want to relax, so it gets on your nerves and ruins the holiday.

I also deliberately posted away from the PDI and PR accomodation forum, as I know to avoid those places, which should really have been a clue for you really. I've been to GC many times, and every time I've gone it's got steadily worse with bar touts, restaurant touts, beach touts and every other kind of tout. Your statement of "but to come on here and call people idiots and chavs because they enjoy a different style of nightlife is a bit up urself." is a bit wide of the mark because a) those people do exist, and it's what I'm trying to avoid and b) It's nothing to do with a different style of nightlife, and everything to do with wanting a relaxing holiday without getting involved with that scene, hence the question. If you label yourself as one of them, that's a matter for you, but not knowing you, and having never met you, I hardly think you're well placed to suggest that I'm calling you one.

I also agree with what you say about other people going to AIs, which is why I posted the question in the first place, as the last time I went, there was just the inkling that those people were starting to come. So you actually proved my point.

I don't really think I should have to explain myself, because someone else managed to read my post at face value without taking it to heart, so maybe you shouldn't take it so personally. If you're so defensive because I struck a chord, maybe you will be a bit more considerate in future, but, as I say, I've never met you, so I can hardly be accused of calling you anything.

I was thinking of not splashing out as much this year, so I could do more to the house, because I've just moved but if, out of 2 replies, one is abusive and defensive, even though I posted away from the areas I will be avoiding, then perhaps it's answered my question. I'll be quite happy to be proved wrong though.

[Sandy & the Wench]

Well Lance - I pondered for a mo after your first post but after your last post it's blatantly obvious that you're deeply stuck up your own bottom!!

As Russ said - you've came on here and belittled probably the majority of people that use the forum. NOT because they are Chavs or drunken British idiots as such but because they know how to let their hair down and enjoy themselves...... as indeed they should when they are on holiday in this type of destination.

Sorry Canaries but your attraction is very much for sun-worshippers and party animals. Weather and nightlife IS the primary attraction!!

Lance - you should probably look elswhere for your holidays. Have you thought of somewhere more interesting with better behaved people like...Iraq or Afghanistan?

[Sandy & the Wench]

Sorry Lance that was maybe a wee bit over the top but let's face it - it's people like YOU that give people from the UK "as much of a bad name" as the party people.

There's regular people on here who have been "all" over the world and don't come onto the forum downgrading neither the Canaries nor the people who holiday there.

Give yourself a shoogle Lance - let your hair down, learn to smile and to accept people for who and what they are - you'll maybe even learn something!!

Open up your mind Lance - meeting people from different parts of the world - even if it's a different part of the UK or even your home Town - is surely a massive part of a holiday...no matter where it is you're on holiday!?

People aren't the same - imagine how boring it would be if they were! - in general people adapt to their surroundings and to the company of other people ...pretty well.

If you're not up to that adaptation or if you've no desire to even try then maybe you ought to stay at home and continue talking to yourself in the mirror mate!

Bottom line is that you can't even so much as leave your own home with intent on looking down upon people in your Street, Town, Country or even your World!

If you do then people will try and correct your ways politely and failing that they will shoot you down in flames because at the end of the day YOU ain't nothing special.......none of us are!!!

Come down of your high horse and experience the real world!! Every chance that you might even enjoy it.... given that you put in a bit of effort!

[russ]

i wasnt offened or have any raw nerves touched. just think people often judge people to quickly. speak with any canarian who works with tourists wether it be the party gang or the supermarket beer drinking balcony lizards. am sure 99% would say brits are the best tourists. its only the media the hypes up the brit yob abroad. i know brits can be a nitghmare at times but anymore so than drunk skandis, germans or dutch? me thinks not.

at the end of the day rico is a tourist resort and without these so called chavs and drunks myself and a hell of alot of others would not be able to live the lives we lead.

if u think my post was abusive and offensive please tell me where. all i did was point out that u was being very rude to people just because they liked a different nite out to urself. what i find worse than so called chavs is poor snobs who think they are above everyone else walzting about in their fake laura ashley floral dress(marcus knows what i mean , i think he has one lol) and judge folk who back home probably have more than them.

[rab_c.]

lots of good points and views from all quarters. I dont intend to be drawn in to any debates or arguments on this.
BUT we have been all a/i and s/c they both have their plusses and minuses.on s/c hol you tend to see a more relaxed poolside during the day no free drink and the pleasure of having the choice of where you eat and drink in the evenings
a/i sees a lot more loudness and rowdyness around the pool during the day and tends to end up with a lot more arguments and drunkness in the evenings standing in a big Quiew now you can also eat and drink out but after paying between £700 and £800 more for the pleasure of cheap alcoholic booze it defeats the purpose.
therefore I fail to see where going a/i to a quieter resort will make the difference

[BIG TONY]

No I wont get involved in this either (nearly fell for that other prat recently) but all inclusive does nothing for the local community as all your money is directed straight to the tour company!!!!!!!!
Many local communitys are now paying the price for all inclusive with Lanzarote being amongst them !!!!!

[MARCUS]

Well with more and more of ¨all inclusive¨ hotels opening of course the local shops,bars etc will be effected.(obviously the idea being to keep the tousists in the hotel day and night,some of course never leave the hotel once on there holiday!)But for the tourists point of view i think it is a fantastic idea if you have a family with small children (who will want ice creams every 5 minutes throughout the day) i personally would feel ¨tied down¨(now there´s a thought.......) to the eating times etc.
Marcus

(who is curently " Waltzing about in a ¨fake¨ Laura Ashley floral dress¨);)

[russ]

see told u folks u heard it here first, are u going to be performing at funny boys soon?

trying to get the vision of u in drag out of my skull:banghead: :have-fun:

[Lance]

Firstly, is this or is this not the "Everywhere Else" part of the forum, which, presumably means places other than PDI or PR? In which case, references to PR are inappropriate in this section, so why bring PR up?

Every weekend, I see people drinking to excess, starting fights, and picking on innocent people because they've either had too much to drink, or they simply don't know how to behave. I also see the aftermath of their actions. When I go on holiday I try and avoid these people. Sadly, those people go on holiday too, and I've seen this behaviour by a section of the British people there, so the original question was where best to go to avoid it. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to avoid these people, and I don't think that that was such an unreasonable question to ask. How many people on here honestly enjoy drunken louts starting fights when they've had too much? If you think that question means "I'm up my own ****", then in the court of Sandy and Russ, I'm guilty as charged.

Sandy, you've obviously not read my posts correctly. What do you know of me? And why would I be belittleing most people on this forum? You said: "As Russ said - you've came on here and belittled probably the majority of people that use the forum. NOT because they are Chavs or drunken British idiots as such but because they know how to let their hair down and enjoy themselves...... as indeed they should when they are on holiday in this type of destination." I really don't see how that equates, or what you're trying to make there. Why would I be belittleing people on here just because they like to party? Perhaps you're of the opinion that I think that people who like to party are chavs or drunken idiots, which isn't the case at all, and it's certainly not something that I've said.

You say "it's it's people like YOU that give people from the UK "as much of a bad name" as the party people." What is the reasoning behind that remark? And how well do you know me to come to this conclusion?

Also, where have I downgraded the Canaries or the people who go there? I've been there plenty of times, and I've also got many friends who go there on a regular basis, so that statement is completely ridiculous. If I wanted to downgrade the Canaries, I'd do it on a different board than this. Furthermore, surely I wouldn't be contemplating returning there.

The rest of that post is simply a rant that goes off at a tangent. Like I said before, you don't know anything about me or where I've been or done in the world, yet you draw a conclusion that's so wide of the mark as to be simply embarrassing. Do you always abuse and demean people you've never met and know nothing about?

It's obvious that if Sandy and Russ form the majority of views on this forum, as you suggest they do then it's clearly just one big clique with anyone new, with perfectly legitimate questions, there to be bullied off.

Perhaps you and Russ are "Leaders" of this board, and the other members are part of your clique and always agree with you, in which case, it's obviously the wrong place to try and get a balanced opinion.

[Lucy]

It's obvious that if Sandy and Russ form the majority of views on this forum, as you suggest they do then it's clearly just one big clique with anyone new, with perfectly legitimate questions, there to be bullied off.

Perhaps you and Russ are "Leaders" of this board, and the other members are part of your clique and always agree with you, in which case, it's obviously the wrong place to try and get a balanced opinion.

I can assure you they certainly don't speak for me Lance.The clique thing? Yeah, that does exist but not ALL members are part of it I can also assure you.

Good for you Lance.:ph34r:

[redswanlady]

Hi, like Big tony & Rab, I don't want to get involved in an arguement but I will say that this forum has no leader's. SATW & Russ were voicing their opinions which they are entitled to do and I'm sure they had no intention of bullying a new member off, please post other questions that you want opinions on as a large majority of the members have very useful and informative information to share.

[bfrank]

don't be put off by one or two opinionated people every forum has them as for your original question there are a few all inclusive's in PR but other nice places e.g. the Rio Sol. whatever you decide to do Lance enjoy your hols':thumb:

[steve]

Me? I love an argument and will go eye to eye with anyone but not on here that's just silly and pointless and all it'll do is alienate you from other members.
That said, its all about opinions whether good bad or indifferent, by the way I've been on this board since it was called 'owen100' some 8 years or more and never noticed any clique or any leaders so come on Lance ask away and as redswanlady says there's plenty of usefull info on here.

Regards

Steve.:boozy:

[colinb]

I would be wary of comparing Mexican/Caribbean AI with European venues. You probably will not get premium brand wines, beers and spirits, and opening times may be restricted, ie midnight finish. Riu Vitamar has Cruz Campo beer - zuk.
There are plenty of nice restaurants to spend all evening in and nice bars to drink in away from the centres if you look around.

[steve]

This will be our 3rd stay at Gloria's Palace come September, its situated just around from the harbour and caters for A.I. H/B. B&B just far enough away from the maddening crowd and is relatively quiet in September (not many kids).

Cheers

Steve

Cambridge

[russ]

I can assure you they certainly don't speak for me Lance.The clique thing? Yeah, that does exist but not ALL members are part of it I can also assure you.

Good for you Lance.:ph34r:

what clique is this ? my first response wasnt abusive at all. just pointed out that everyone in the centres are not drunken idiots or chavs. rico i would say has 90% less trouble in it than ur local high street. very rarely do i see trouble or even so called chavs smashing the place up drunk. so if someone agrees with someone else there is a clique. so from now on u have a clique with lance do u debbie? cause thats what u are sayin. perhaps read back at posts and see i never called anyone names FIRST (have i got using capitals right yet dd) all i did was point out the original post was a bit up themselves.

[chorlton]

Guys if you are going to address posts at particular members please use the PM system.

[Lance]

what clique is this ? my first response wasnt abusive at all. just pointed out that everyone in the centres are not drunken idiots or chavs. rico i would say has 90% less trouble in it than ur local high street. very rarely do i see trouble or even so called chavs smashing the place up drunk. so if someone agrees with someone else there is a clique. so from now on u have a clique with lance do u debbie? cause thats what u are sayin. perhaps read back at posts and see i never called anyone names FIRST (have i got using capitals right yet dd) all i did was point out the original post was a bit up themselves.

"just pointed out that everyone in the centres are not drunken idiots or chavs." Who said they were?

"very rarely do i see trouble or even so called chavs smashing the place up drunk" So you do see it then?

"so if someone agrees with someone else there is a clique" No, but Sandy said, whilst quoting and agreeing with you that I was belittling the majority of this forum, so that gave me the impression that you and her spoke for that same majority. In which case, that is the perfect scenario to describe a clique. A clique can be describes as follows: "a close group of friends or colleagues having similar interests and goals, and whom outsiders regard as excluding them" (With thanks to Encarta dictionary) If your opinions reflect the majority, as you say they do, and intend that to exclude other members, such as newcomers, then it's a clique.

"rico i would say has 90% less trouble in it than ur local high street" As I've said at least twice now, I posted in the ANYWHERE ELSE part of the forum, so why refer to PR, when all along, I am referring to other parts of the island.

I suggest you read the very first post, take it at face value, and, bearing in mind it makes no accusations of anyone, makes no mention of "The centres" or Puerto Rico itself, and by posting in this section deliberately doesn't refer to PDI and PR and certainly doesn't cast aspersions on people who like to party, either in those 2 resorts or elsewhere. Perhaps in that scenario you could give a balanced answer, if that's your intention. Otherwise "Experienced member" or not, what was the point in posting your replies in the first place? If not to throw your weight around in a completely off at a tangent way which didn't address the issue of the original post, and simply abused me by quoting a phrase which is wholly inappropriate in this situation. That, is what is called bullying. And it's no wonder that people are obviously put off by these heavy handed antics of yourself and the others who club together with your views.

That said, I thank those who have gone to the trouble to distance themselves from your attack both in the forum and privately.

[rab_c.]

well having read through all the posts again there has been quite a few misunderstandings and seriously hot debates along the way.

anyway like tony I feel that a/i is a serious damage to the locals in each and every resort. but to answer lances question which has not been considered to date I feel that either san augustan or puerto mogan would be ideal for the vacation he has asked about.

just as the young ones like to party and have a great time people like lance also have a right to go and have some peace and consideration on their jollybags.

so sorry just noticed that a few ideas had been posted but in pr which was the reason the post had been put in the everywhere else section to avoid the busier resorts

so wherever you end up have a good one.

[MARCUS]

Would anyone like a ¨mandarin orange¨? (they are absolutely delicious this time of the year..............) ;) x

[rab_c.]

Would anyone like a ¨mandarin orange¨? (they are absolutely delicious this time of the year..............) ;) x
served by puerto ricos number 1 weather man:grin:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1101153/2/istockphoto_1101153_peeled_clementine_mandarin_tan gerine_satsuma_orange_isolated.jpg

[Tote]

I can assure you they certainly don't speak for me Lance.The clique thing? Yeah, that does exist but not ALL members are part of it I can also assure you.

Good for you Lance.:ph34r:


I used to be a well known, well liked member of this forum. Sadly when it got hacked i did not bother rejoining. Yes this forum has got the usual "clique thing". The same people who stick their awe in, when 9 times out of 10 it is just to wind peeps up and cause trouble:veryangry: I decided not to rejoin because of this, but i have been reading the forum as a guest for a while and reading all this crap, but could not help responding to this. PLEASE STOP THIS 5HIT AND BRINGING THE GOOD NAME OF CANARYFORUM DOWN TO A LEVEL IT DOES NOT DESERVE.

[Sandy & the Wench]

Jings - there's a shocker that Debbie is getting her tuppence worth in eh - oh sorry Lucy I meant! :dry:

I'm a wee bit shocked by all this to tell you the truth.

Lance - the short of it is that people on holiday - no matter what country they come from - tend to over-indulge when on holiday. Damn right tooooo!! Majority of these people have worked damn hard for the right to go and let their hair down for a week or two. Who the hell are you to rubbish them for doing so???

That was my MAIN point about it all. You came on saying you didn't want to mix with such people. Damn sure that you experienced drunks (maybe from another country than the UK) when you were in Mexico.

Everyone... including yourself lance ....is entitled to "the" type of holiday that they want and can afford. Why don't you try South Africa - go swimming with a few Great Whites - sure they'll bite bigger and harder than any of us on this forum.

As for your comment about cliques - what a complete and utter nonsense!! That's playground stuff - give yourself a shoogle!

In all honesty, I think you're on here for a wind-up - I'm not so sure you haven't been on here before under another guise?? Ricoboy perhaps?? Shirley maybe???

Hot Shot "Debbie" (Lucy) aint fooling anybody!!!!

Hey Owen - do the regulars on the forum a favour and cross check the IP addresses of Debbie and Lucy and also of Lance, Rico-Boy and Shirley.

There's probably no rules against Muiltiple Identities as such but when they're used to wind-up other members then maybe there should be!

By the way - confession - I'm also "Santa" - which I set-up for a laugh ...that unfortunately no-one took me up on. No malice involved there though and I think only one post which didn't offend anyone.

Honestly - what a carry-on all this is!!

Lance - if you're for real! Then do what you and any normal person would do if confronted by unsavoury characters in a pub etc and that's drink up and move on to somewhere else.

And keep doing that until you notice that it's actually you that's the problem and people are avoiding you due to your drunkin state! Does that make sense???

[Lance]

Your ignorance astounds me.

Lance - the short of it is that people on holiday - no matter what country they come from - tend to over-indulge when on holiday. Damn right tooooo!! Majority of these people have worked damn hard for the right to go and let their hair down for a week or two. Who the hell are you to rubbish them for doing so??? - Who says I am? All I want to avoid is drunken louts causing problems. The same people who do the same thing back home. You either haven't read the original post, or you simply want to add your own spin for your own agenda.

That was my MAIN point about it all. You came on saying you didn't want to mix with such people. Damn sure that you experienced drunks (maybe from another country than the UK) when you were in Mexico. Read my original post again, and you'll find that you're wrong (again) and that's not what I said. Note also that my original post shows no edits, in case you were going to try to suggest that I had edited in the meantime. In Mexico there were plenty of people who'd had a drink, mainly Americans, but they weren't abusive, they didn't assault me, and they didn't affect my enjoyment. When last in GC, however, there were people who habitually shouted and screamed at the top of their voices by the poolside, and showed a complete lack of consideration for those around them.

Everyone... including yourself lance ....is entitled to "the" type of holiday that they want and can afford. Why don't you try South Africa - go swimming with a few Great Whites - sure they'll bite bigger and harder than any of us on this forum. I fully agree with you, in the first part, although even you have to admit that the second part is pathetic.

As for your comment about cliques - what a complete and utter nonsense!! - If I refer you to your penultimate paragraph, you'll have realised that you've contradicted yourself completely.

In all honesty, I think you're on here for a wind-up - I'm not so sure you haven't been on here before under another guise?? Ricoboy perhaps?? Shirley maybe??? - Once more, you embarass yourself with your ignorance.

Hey Owen - do the regulars on the forum a favour and cross check the IP addresses of Debbie and Lucy and also of Lance, Rico-Boy and Shirley. - And while you're at it, consider whether you're abusing your priviledge as a moderator by taking on such a task, not to mention breaching Data Protection legislation. Sandy is obviously frustrated by his inability to bully someone who is standing up to them. And of course Sandy refers to "The regulars" as though he speaks for them all. I'm pretty sure, from what I've heard, that that most certainly isn't the case.

There's probably no rules against Muiltiple Identities as such but when they're used to wind-up other members then maybe there should be! - There probably isn't, and there probably should, but if you find that's not the case, what then? I'll not hold my breath for an apology.

By the way - confession - I'm also "Santa" - which I set-up for a laugh ...that unfortunately no-one took me up on. No malice involved there though and I think only one post which didn't offend anyone. - So because it's you, that's ok is it? Was that an afterthought after damning someone (wrongly) in your previous paragraph.

Honestly - what a carry-on all this is!! - I agree, and all because two particular members decided to weigh in with their abuse and bully boy tactics following a straighforward question.

Lance - if you're for real! Then do what you and any normal person would do if confronted by unsavoury characters in a pub etc and that's drink up and move on to somewhere else. - Sorry, your bullying tactics don't work, and you miss the point. Look at it from another angle. There are more ways of dealing with those unsavoury characters. If, for example you own the pub, you'd have them kicked out. But of course, to take your analogy, my original post was to try and avoid that pub in the first place. I'm also not intimidated by the likes of you and you won't force me away, because there are people on this forum who genuinely want to help other members.

And keep doing that until you notice that it's actually you that's the problem and people are avoiding you due to your drunkin state - If you're not embarrassed by your latest post by now, surely this paragraph seals it. Just how have you established those particular facts?

Does that make sense??? - No. The only thing that does make sense is that you are an abusive bully, who can't get their facts straight, come to ludicrous conclusions about someone they've never met, and are never likely to, and if all else fails, bring your abuse to the lowest common denominator by suggesting that anyone with a degree of articulation is "Up their own bottom".

No doubt that having embarrassed yourself with your ignorance in front of everybody with this latest post, you'll come back with some retort or another. It's just a shame that your ramblings have come interspersed with some good ideas from genuine people on the forum.

[Tote]

Your ignorance astounds me.

Lance - the short of it is that people on holiday - no matter what country they come from - tend to over-indulge when on holiday. Damn right tooooo!! Majority of these people have worked damn hard for the right to go and let their hair down for a week or two. Who the hell are you to rubbish them for doing so??? - Who says I am? All I want to avoid is drunken louts causing problems. The same people who do the same thing back home. You either haven't read the original post, or you simply want to add your own spin for your own agenda.

That was my MAIN point about it all. You came on saying you didn't want to mix with such people. Damn sure that you experienced drunks (maybe from another country than the UK) when you were in Mexico. Read my original post again, and you'll find that you're wrong (again) and that's not what I said. Note also that my original post shows no edits, in case you were going to try to suggest that I had edited in the meantime. In Mexico there were plenty of people who'd had a drink, mainly Americans, but they weren't abusive, they didn't assault me, and they didn't affect my enjoyment. When last in GC, however, there were people who habitually shouted and screamed at the top of their voices by the poolside, and showed a complete lack of consideration for those around them.

Everyone... including yourself lance ....is entitled to "the" type of holiday that they want and can afford. Why don't you try South Africa - go swimming with a few Great Whites - sure they'll bite bigger and harder than any of us on this forum. I fully agree with you, in the first part, although even you have to admit that the second part is pathetic.

As for your comment about cliques - what a complete and utter nonsense!! - If I refer you to your penultimate paragraph, you'll have realised that you've contradicted yourself completely.

In all honesty, I think you're on here for a wind-up - I'm not so sure you haven't been on here before under another guise?? Ricoboy perhaps?? Shirley maybe??? - Once more, you embarass yourself with your ignorance.

Hey Owen - do the regulars on the forum a favour and cross check the IP addresses of Debbie and Lucy and also of Lance, Rico-Boy and Shirley. - And while you're at it, consider whether you're abusing your priviledge as a moderator by taking on such a task, not to mention breaching Data Protection legislation. Sandy is obviously frustrated by his inability to bully someone who is standing up to them. And of course Sandy refers to "The regulars" as though he speaks for them all. I'm pretty sure, from what I've heard, that that most certainly isn't the case.

There's probably no rules against Muiltiple Identities as such but when they're used to wind-up other members then maybe there should be! - There probably isn't, and there probably should, but if you find that's not the case, what then? I'll not hold my breath for an apology.

By the way - confession - I'm also "Santa" - which I set-up for a laugh ...that unfortunately no-one took me up on. No malice involved there though and I think only one post which didn't offend anyone. - So because it's you, that's ok is it? Was that an afterthought after damning someone (wrongly) in your previous paragraph.

Honestly - what a carry-on all this is!! - I agree, and all because two particular members decided to weigh in with their abuse and bully boy tactics following a straighforward question.

Lance - if you're for real! Then do what you and any normal person would do if confronted by unsavoury characters in a pub etc and that's drink up and move on to somewhere else. - Sorry, your bullying tactics don't work, and you miss the point. Look at it from another angle. There are more ways of dealing with those unsavoury characters. If, for example you own the pub, you'd have them kicked out. But of course, to take your analogy, my original post was to try and avoid that pub in the first place. I'm also not intimidated by the likes of you and you won't force me away, because there are people on this forum who genuinely want to help other members.

And keep doing that until you notice that it's actually you that's the problem and people are avoiding you due to your drunkin state - If you're not embarrassed by your latest post by now, surely this paragraph seals it. Just how have you established those particular facts?

Does that make sense??? - No. The only thing that does make sense is that you are an abusive bully, who can't get their facts straight, come to ludicrous conclusions about someone they've never met, and are never likely to, and if all else fails, bring your abuse to the lowest common denominator by suggesting that anyone with a degree of articulation is "Up their own bottom".

No doubt that having embarrassed yourself with your ignorance in front of everybody with this latest post, you'll come back with some retort or another. It's just a shame that your ramblings have come interspersed with some good ideas from genuine people on the forum.


Well said and very well put across:nodding:

[Sandy & the Wench]

LOL

Lance - the short of it is that people on holiday - no matter what country they come from - tend to over-indulge when on holiday. Damn right tooooo!! Majority of these people have worked damn hard for the right to go and let their hair down for a week or two. Who the hell are you to rubbish them for doing so??? - Who says I am? All I want to avoid is drunken louts causing problems. The same people who do the same thing back home. You either haven't read the original post, or you simply want to add your own spin for your own agenda.
I say you are! - it's how I read your posts and you've not so much as said my interpretation on your posts was incorrect!
Why would I want to add my own spin?? What Agenda?? Come-on you can do better than that Lancey!!!

That was my MAIN point about it all. You came on saying you didn't want to mix with such people. Damn sure that you experienced drunks (maybe from another country than the UK) when you were in Mexico. Read my original post again, and you'll find that you're wrong (again) and that's not what I said. Note also that my original post shows no edits, in case you were going to try to suggest that I had edited in the meantime. In Mexico there were plenty of people who'd had a drink, mainly Americans, but they weren't abusive, they didn't assault me, and they didn't affect my enjoyment. When last in GC, however, there were people who habitually shouted and screamed at the top of their voices by the poolside, and showed a complete lack of consideration for those around them.

So the Americans didn't assault you! :ohmy: You obviously moved on to somewhere else before they got to know you!

Jings - people shouting and screaming by the poolside lance - how terribly horribly for you. Imagine having to endure other people's enjoyment! Tsk Tsk Must have been hell for you! :blink:

Should have rented somewhere that you could have had a pool all to yourself and then you could have belittled your own reflection!

Everyone... including yourself lance ....is entitled to "the" type of holiday that they want and can afford. Why don't you try South Africa - go swimming with a few Great Whites - sure they'll bite bigger and harder than any of us on this forum. I fully agree with you, in the first part, although even you have to admit that the second part is pathetic.

Glad you agree on the first part! The second part makes perfect sense!!! ....to me!

As for your comment about cliques - what a complete and utter nonsense!! - If I refer you to your penultimate paragraph, you'll have realised that you've contradicted yourself completely.

How's that then?? Sorry but you just didn't manage to justify that to me there at all!!

In all honesty, I think you're on here for a wind-up - I'm not so sure you haven't been on here before under another guise?? Ricoboy perhaps?? Shirley maybe??? - Once more, you embarass yourself with your ignorance.
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????????????????????? How's that then???????????????

Hey Owen - do the regulars on the forum a favour and cross check the IP addresses of Debbie and Lucy and also of Lance, Rico-Boy and Shirley. - And while you're at it, consider whether you're abusing your priviledge as a moderator by taking on such a task, not to mention breaching Data Protection legislation. Sandy is obviously frustrated by his inability to bully someone who is standing up to them. And of course Sandy refers to "The regulars" as though he speaks for them all. I'm pretty sure, from what I've heard, that that most certainly isn't the case.

Now that's a cracker!!!!! I didn't ask Owen to let anyone know any details about any of the people I mentioned so there's no chance that he'd be breaching any Data Protection Legislation. MMMmmm Think I hit a nerve there don't you think??? :thumb:

Bully??? Where you getting that from? Picked up a "buzz-word" from somewhere did you, tabloid was it? Now that's pathetic and a poor comeback!

Oh and your tactic regarding the regulars statement is transparent to everyone with a half a brain. It's obvious that I wasn't attempting to speak on behalf of anyone - I'm well aware that people have their own opinions - something that you obviously have difficulty accepting!!!

There's probably no rules against Muiltiple Identities as such but when they're used to wind-up other members then maybe there should be! - There probably isn't, and there probably should, but if you find that's not the case, what then? I'll not hold my breath for an apology.

Naw ....go on - start now!!

By the way - confession - I'm also "Santa" - which I set-up for a laugh ...that unfortunately no-one took me up on. No malice involved there though and I think only one post which didn't offend anyone. - So because it's you, that's ok is it? Was that an afterthought after damning someone (wrongly) in your previous paragraph.

Setting up the Santa identity was a roll-on to a joke type thing that I posted - it was set-up to respond to people and to have a bit of a laugh. Not an afterthought at all and yeah you were damned - rightly because "the" purpose of me doing it and you doing it and the intent for their use are at opposite ends of the scale! It's YOU that needs to justify your intent!!

Honestly - what a carry-on all this is!! - I agree, and all because two particular members decided to weigh in with their abuse and bully boy tactics following a straighforward question.

You didn't get "any" abuse .......and your so called question was far from straightforward! Very niave to think that it was!

Lance - if you're for real! Then do what you and any normal person would do if confronted by unsavoury characters in a pub etc and that's drink up and move on to somewhere else. - Sorry, your bullying tactics don't work, and you miss the point. Look at it from another angle. There are more ways of dealing with those unsavoury characters. If, for example you own the pub, you'd have them kicked out. But of course, to take your analogy, my original post was to try and avoid that pub in the first place. I'm also not intimidated by the likes of you and you won't force me away, because there are people on this forum who genuinely want to help other members.

Naw - if you owned the pub, it would depend upon whether they'd been their for a long period of time or whether they'd just came into your pub. If they'd been their for a while then you'd have a quite word especially if they were spending lots and you'd do it in such a way so as they were cool about it, amended their behaviour and continued to spend their money in your pub.

Otherwise another pub will benefit from them and when competition is as intense as it is in holiday resorts then the last thing you want to do is drive away big spending customers!!

Passing trade and people like you, will come and go all night long...hopefully, but it's the loyal big spenders that you want to keep. So in short you're way down the pecking order!!

"That Pub" as you describe it, is in every resort and every town and city in the world!! The only way it becomes something other than "That Pub" is if you make an effort to be accepted into it - the only way to do that is to enter on the same level and to treat people with respect. After a period of time and much sussing out you may be accepted. Otherwise, forget it because you'll be looking to avoid "that pub" for your entire life mate!!

You're paranoid is the only thing I can say about the rest of your rant there.


Does that make sense??? - No. The only thing that does make sense is that you are an abusive bully, who can't get their facts straight, come to ludicrous conclusions about someone they've never met, and are never likely to, and if all else fails, bring your abuse to the lowest common denominator by suggesting that anyone with a degree of articulation is "Up their own bottom".

No doubt that having embarrassed yourself with your ignorance in front of everybody with this latest post, you'll come back with some retort or another. It's just a shame that your ramblings have come interspersed with some good ideas from genuine people on the forum.

Yeah keep going - you'll have a fan club before you know it Lance - you're a superstar!! Is that what Mummikins and Daddikins told you?

I stick by my statement about you being "deeply enrouted within your own butt" The above just emphasises it all the more! Cheers!

[Sandy & the Wench]

Lance ... Tote - what's this then - a split personality?? :confused:Yeah right!! LOL

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Lance ... Tote - what's this then - a split personality?? :confused:Yeah right!! LOL


For all your ranting and raving you got that wrong:veryangry:

[Sandy & the Wench]

Oh did I now?!

So what brought you out of the woodwork ....other than to stir it up then? :mellow:

Naw I don't believe you're not part of "that" wee clique that's suddenly appeared to cause a commotion and to try and rattle people! Not for a minute!! :no:

I'm just laughing at the effort and collaboration you've all put in and to what purpose?? And none of you are any further forward either!
Still - it's a good laugh!! :D

[russ]

i like going partying in both the main centres, does that make me a drunken idiot???? yes when i am drunk i can be an idiot i am british and i wear stone island so guess u will be steering clear of where the mrs and me and 90% of other forum members enjoy themselves.
i have only ever been to one all inclusive in my life and found the people there were far worse than people who didnt have to make the most of and get their monies worth. at least u get a choice if u book something that aint all inclusive.

there are tons of good nights out to be had in rico wether u fancy a quiet friendly place or a rowdy place for food or drink. but to come on here and call people idiots and chavs because they enjoy a different style of nightlife is a bit up urself.

this is my so called abusive reply that started all these sleeping members or just watches to jump and form a clique. perhaps i should make a thread saying i am resigning or say i am never coming on here again and then join under another name.

to be honest where is my post really rude? as i said before just cause people like a different nite out does not make them chavs or drunken idiots.

[russ]

"just pointed out that everyone in the centres are not drunken idiots or chavs." Who said they were?

"very rarely do i see trouble or even so called chavs smashing the place up drunk" So you do see it then?

"so if someone agrees with someone else there is a clique" No, but Sandy said, whilst quoting and agreeing with you that I was belittling the majority of this forum, so that gave me the impression that you and her spoke for that same majority. In which case, that is the perfect scenario to describe a clique. A clique can be describes as follows: "a close group of friends or colleagues having similar interests and goals, and whom outsiders regard as excluding them" (With thanks to Encarta dictionary) If your opinions reflect the majority, as you say they do, and intend that to exclude other members, such as newcomers, then it's a clique.

"rico i would say has 90% less trouble in it than ur local high street" As I've said at least twice now, I posted in the ANYWHERE ELSE part of the forum, so why refer to PR, when all along, I am referring to other parts of the island.

I suggest you read the very first post, take it at face value, and, bearing in mind it makes no accusations of anyone, makes no mention of "The centres" or Puerto Rico itself, and by posting in this section deliberately doesn't refer to PDI and PR and certainly doesn't cast aspersions on people who like to party, either in those 2 resorts or elsewhere. Perhaps in that scenario you could give a balanced answer, if that's your intention. Otherwise "Experienced member" or not, what was the point in posting your replies in the first place? If not to throw your weight around in a completely off at a tangent way which didn't address the issue of the original post, and simply abused me by quoting a phrase which is wholly inappropriate in this situation. That, is what is called bullying. And it's no wonder that people are obviously put off by these heavy handed antics of yourself and the others who club together with your views.

That said, I thank those who have gone to the trouble to distance themselves from your attack both in the forum and privately.

christ to bother to look up the word in ur little dic(no pun intended) u must have a lot of spare time.
experienced member lol thankyou.
plus thanks for thinking i am so important that everyone else follows what i say. i really wish it was true i could start my own cult.

not forgetting if u are gonna write posts under diff names please use a diff style of ranting, its so easy to spot even though i am no sherlock, perhaps i could join under 3 diff names and say what a guy i am and spout off.
just read my original post and point out as i have asked 3 times where is it offensive?

[chorlton]

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